"Does it become comforting with time?" He sounds outright disbelieving about that. "Because honestly, I can't imagine how much could change to make that happen," he admits, thinking about what he's already been through here.

"What is the point of Chicago-style? They tried to convince me about Detroit style and I just couldn't help laughing at them for that." It's such a familiar talk that it is the one thing that's made him feel at ease in this place. "I'd rather the walk for traditional. If you're up for it. It's really your call."